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departs from the rest of his colleagues. >> rand paul is paskly a libertarian. she a noninterventionist and he loves foreign policy to be about trade and tonight on "all in." >> we knew we had to change the venue. >> first colorado, now wisconsin. as we go live to another massive rally for bernie sanders. does hillary clinton have an actual electoral challenge on her hands? plus, the republican problem with more great polling news for donald trump. >> the illegals are pouring into the country.
it's far worse than anybody knows. >> general joy reid reporting live from the scene of the south carolina church fire. and as the resistance to marriage equality continues in pockets around the nation, my interview with the kentucky county clerk who would rather to go jail than issue same-sex marriage licenses. >> i think they have the right to choose however they choose. but i do too. i have the same right. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. at this very hour we are anticipating what is likely to be the single largest noncompulsory campaign event of the 2016 presidential election. i am speaking, of course, of vermont senator bernie sanders appearing as you see in a packed stadium arena in madison, wisconsin. sanders, of course, coming fresh off of a massive event in denver. 7,000 people in danielance for
that. they had to move the venue as you see the camera pan across. bernie sanders going to speak from this venue in madison tonight. event organizers anticipating possibly as many as 10,000 people. that of course would make it the largest event of the campaign cycle so far with the notable exception of the 11,000 who showed up for ted cruz' event at liberty. of course, attendance there was mandatory. bernie sanders is now polling within striking distance of hillary clinton in new hampshire. the latest polling having him only 8 points behind. he is fundraising from the grassroots at a clip very few other candidates in the race can match. although he will be deluged by the $45 million hillary clinton is expected to post in this quarter. but people are starting to ask whether bernie sanders represents a quite serious challenge to hillary clinton in
the democratic primary. joining me now from the sanders rally in madison, msnbc political reporter alex, it looks like quite a crowd. >> reporter: yeah. this is definitely quite a crowd, chris. they are chanting, feel the bern behind me. this is the venue that you expect for a major party nominee in october of a general election. not in june or july of the year before an election. certainly not for a candidate who is a self-described socialist running against the strongest nominee who is not an incumbent or vice president. so there's something happening here. people are very fired up. they say he is the only one talking about their issues. and the name that i'm reading, barack obama saying that maybe, just maybe bernie sanders can do the same thing hillary did in 2008. >> one of the early indicators of barack obama's potential in that nominating contest was that he was drawing massive crowds. i remember covering his announcement in a freezing cold day in illinois which drew thousands. there were thousands who came out. i remember one event
specifically in austin. it wasn't on the campaign trail per se at that point. wasn't on people's radar screen. when 8,000 or 10,000 people showed up, it got the political world thinking, something is going on. the reason we're looking at back to back 8,000 plus rallies for bernie sanders, we don't know how big it is. there is some base that is very, very committed to this candidate. it is still very early. >> yeah, that's right. and hillary clinton has yet to prove that she can generate this kind of massive grassroots support. she had about 5,500 people at her kickoff rally on roosevelt island in new york. her home town, had he home state. the crowd was fired up. they were very excited. this is a little bit different. this is something that is totally grassroots. people coming together. this event was coming together. we're seeing it across the country. he did it in burlington with his kickoff rally. 5,000 there at the lake. 3,000 in minneapolis, 1,000 people stood outside.
they couldn't even get in. on monday he has an event in portland, maine. they announced they had to move it because there were too many. they're moving to a bigger arena. there's a lot of enthusiasm. none of us would have expect this a few months ago. the fact we are here in a giant venue for bernie sanders speaks to the level of interest there is, for an alternative to hillary clinton in the grassroots of the democratic base. >> all right. live there in madison where bernie sand letters speak in a little bit. joining me now, the nation featuring on its fourth coming issue. >> bernie sanders speaks. >> so let's put all this in perspective. i think, look. even if wasn't bernie sanders, if there was a republican candidate whose politics i had
no afinlt for who was drawing crowds like that, i would say something is going on. >> there is something going on in this country. five, six years after the financial crisis, a few years after occupy. there is a hunger in this country for a passionate populist message. bernie sanders has attempted into that. i don't think even he understood what he would unleash. the buzz, the polls, the crowds. he is speaking to something in the psyche of americans when he talks about how billionaires are controlling our politics, the inequality. that we want to take back our democracy. >> let me say, we're looking now at people standing in line. i have worked as a political adviser and tried to get people to come to stuff. i saw footage earlier of, earlier in this cycle when rick san tomorrow. it is hard to get people to come to stuff. >> one thing that strikes me, you know, bernie sanders, many people are meeting him for the first time.
he didn't do "meet the press" until after chuck todd became host recently. mccain lives on that show. he has a cot there. the national media has ignores bernie sanders for many years. peep are learning there's a voice that deserves to be heard and they're beyond the labels. >> for a long time people wanted elizabeth warren to run. there was this activist base that wanted her to run. it became clear she wasn't. then it became clear, who will inherit that mantle? and it makes sense that it was bernie sanders. >> i think one strength he will draw upon and he does in the nation interview. the consistency. whether it has been opposition to doma or opposition to unfettered surveillance for the fight against inequality, for participating democracy. he's been there. and i think he can give it a 21 century message. he also in the nation interview, there's talk about how he doesn't have relations in the african-american community. he hasn't been speaking out. until now i would say in the nation interview, he talks about
policing. he talks about civil rights issues. he of course comes back to the fact, 50% unemployment among young african-americans. he is tough on the militarization of policing in this country and speaks forcefully to that. >> if you look at this crowd, this is the issue he faces. it is an issue that many candidates in the democratic primary who have captured a certain part of the liberal grassroots. forging the multiracial coalition that can really catapult them. barack obama was a very special kind of candidate. he was both the kind of insurgent candidate but he was able to expand out. stitch together this coalition. bernie sanders has to do that. let's keep this in mine. he is 60 points behind the polls of hillary clinton. >> but he is a classic insurgent candidate. i wonderful say he is -- >> they tend on rocket up and then down. >> i think we will see a continuing surge. more and more people will get to
meet him and know him. i will say on another issue which is so vital. the climate crisis issue. the nation has launched something called the climate pledge. a lot of university pension go funds are divesting. we've asked candidates tonight accept any money from fossil fuel companies. bernie was the only democrat running, martin o'malley said they're against climate crisis but he sign on. >> katrina vanden heuvel, thank you. >> chris christie got some good news and bad news today on what is his first full day of campaigning since he officially announced his presidential run yesterday. the good news was that christie became the first gop candidate to win an endorsement from a sit go republican governor. the bad news, the endorsement
came from this guy. maine's paul lepage who politico dubbed the craziest governor. like christie, he is one of the most unpopular governors in the country. he is now facing possible impeachment proceedings for allegedly withholding state funds from a school for at risk children unless it withdrew a job offer to a political foe. the endorsement came at becky's diner in portland where he described christie who campaigned hard as a blunt straight talker. >> for me in the first full day of my presidential campaign, to be able to come up here and receive an endorsement from somebody who knows what it is like to run a blue state. knows what it is like to make tough decisions, knows what it is like to engage in hand to hand combat to get thing done for the people that elect you. to get an endorsement from paul le page today is an incredible honor today. >> joining me now, john, i have to say from a branding
perspective, i guess it is kind of a peas in the pod like we're tough talking eastern republican governors in blue states. but i mean, this guy is absolutely as politically toxic, paul le page as they come in the gubernatorial ranks right now. >> yeah. and they're kind of peas in the same pod of being nailed for having scandals and trying to go out against their political foes. so i think that's a bit of a problem. and politically, it makes me question, i don't know, do these people do any vetting of him? did they figure out he has this problem before they decided to take chris christie with bridgegate faced similar accusations? he is now getting an endorsement from a guy -- it is all very weird to me. >> this is a really important point. they're basically parallel in the sense of, in the case of paul lepage with threatening to revoke funding from the school unless a political rival had a
job offer withdrawn. that is precisely the same asymmetric misuse or allegations of the gubernatorial office's power to pursue a petty political vendetta that is precisely the issue that chris christie faces in bridgegate. >> yeah. even if you give them both the benefit of the doubt and say none of this happened, they never did anything bad. the fact that they're both facing these accusations. you might say why don't we wait to have this endorsement six months down the line or a little further into the campaign. his campaign seems to be, for a guy who has seemed to be running for however many years now, it seems a little bit rush asked off the cuff maybe. now we're going to announce we're going to run. we got this guy giving us an endorsement who has scandal problems. i think it is all very odd. i don't understand why they're doing this. >> it strikes me that at a certain point, they had pick of the litter.
they had everyone clamoring for them. don'tors begging him to run. this is where he is now. he has got to start oblg what he has. he has a guy who won with less than 50% of the vote and might be facing impeachment. that's where he is in terms of who he has to rely on at this point in his career. when you put it like that, i guess there's no where else to go. very odd. >> do you think that trump is a problem for him? having trump in this race? >> you know, i think it could be. he certainly is the guy who wants everyone to think of him as the straight shooting blunt guy. and donald trump is nothing but straight shooting and blunt. and so he takes up some of the oxygen. he is also the sort of brash northeastern persona which is definitely christie's thing. he eats up that persona a little bit. and then it draws attention away. the one thing that it could help him with.
the bigger the field, potentially that could help christie push himself back into the top ranks. if there are 30 people running. >> my dream is to moderate an all eastern seaboard debate with bernie sanders, donald trump and chris christie. if you people want to call me, i'll moderate any time. still ahead, an unsung victory in one of the most successful weeks. and the runaway liability of donald trump on full display as he loses yet another company's support for comments like this. >> the border is a disaster, bill. people are pouring in and i mean illegal people, illegal people.
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there's a scandal brewing that has crossed all partisan divide. it started when "the new york times" told its twitter followers to add green peas to your guacamole. the reaction was swift and blunt. he had already expressed his dislike of peas and guacamole said you don't put peas in guacamole. the texas gop declaring war on texas when they suggested adding green peas on guacamole. even president obama weigh in on a #twitter chat. do you agree with the new york time about putting peas in guacamole? he responded respect the nyt but not buying peas in guac. >> now i've never tried peas in guacamole. it could be delicious. i don't know why people are so upset with it. but we'll try to settle this controversy tomorrow.
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that's why i got a subaru impreza. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. more huge news for donald trump's aspirations. he was put in second place both nationally and in iowa where he is tied at second with ben carson. those are the fourth and fist polls since he announced. either nationwide or in an early primary state. they pretty much make it official. donald trump is as of this moment, at the front of the pack in the republican presidential race. he made a pretty colorful campaign stop last night in new hampshire where he is now polling at 11%. a few points behind jeb bush. >> the american dream is dead but i'll make it bigger and better and stronger than ever before. >> oh, would china be in
trouble. the poor chinese. who has done more than me? i've marked for identification tens of thousands of people over my life. it is hard to believe i'm second to bush. bush won't get us to the promise land, folks. we're stupid. our leaders are stupid people. did you know i had an uncle who went to m.i.t. he was a top professor, he's a genius. it's in my blood. i'm smart. i see people at nbc and other networks that are so bad, i would be a great programmer. i know what sells. sleepy eyes chuck todd, "meet the press" dying, going down the tubes. they won't say what a big crowd this was. this was a record setting crowd for a house. like record. >> performances like that are exactly why the republican national committee tried to rein in the process. after the long open debate season fueled some of the most marginal candidates, the rnc moved to reform the debate rules. the first debate hosted by fox news over a month from now is
being limited to the candidates who place in the top ten in the most recent national poll. as of this moment that includes donald trump who is spending most of his brand new campaign ailen it aing the exact constituency the gop set out to woo after its last defeat. hispanic voters. trump continued with his assertion that many are rapists who bring crime into the country. >> would you take any of that back? or rephrase any of it if you could? >> no, because it's totally accurate. the border is a disaster, bill. people are pouring in and i mean illegal people. illegal immigrants and they're pouring in. 300 some odd thousand are in your state jails right now according to homeland security. >> responding to a moveon petition, macy's announced it is discontinuing its work with trump and phasing out his men's wear line which is an actual thing.
he claimed he dumped them first. i have decided to terminate my relationship with macy's because of the pressure by outside sources. for all those who want to #make america great again, they are weak on border security and stopping illegal immigration. joining me now, republican consultant rick wilson. okay. i don't know. i'm reince priebus or jeb bush, i hire you. this is what you do. you dispense political advice to republican politicians. what do you tell them to do about this situation? >> day drinking. no. look. you've got to bring donald trump into this process in a way that takes him out of the celebrity mode and into the political mode. this is a guy who right now believes that he can float above the mechanics and the grit and the grime of regular campaign
and rely on the press being lazy and being easily baited into covering ridiculous statements every day. and you have to drag hill to the point where he has to go do the work. do the mechanical things in a campaign, show up to town hall meetings and show up to sit down with some guy in new hampshire at a dinler for an hour to ask for his support. >> how do you make him do that though? >> look, this is not an easy question. this guy right now, because of a very, look, i get that he's good television. i get that he's good to cover. >> no, no. >> on the other hand the minute you guys start complaining that we never talk about big issues, we never get on sub stance, we never talk about policy, donald trump exhibit a on why this country never has serious discussions about meaningful issues. >> let me tell you something. this is the media's fault in a lot of ways. you have to take some credit for this, or some blame for this.
>> let me say this. what he said about mexican immigrants was pretty owed just. what he is saying about the border and illegal aliens pouring into the country, that is a fairly standard view among a lot of people in the republican party. a view that is a big obstacle to getting immigration reform through. the belief that there is an influx. that it is fundamentally a kind of invasion. that people bring crime with them. i've had republican principals like jan brewer say precisely that. this is not a crazy view. in that respect he does have tangible effects in terms of how immigration policy goes. the second thing i'll say is this. one of the unintended consequences of this cut-off rule is that you now have to maintain a certain national level in the polls to get on the debate stage which ends up, yes, essentially giving him a kind of celebrity premium as opposed to doing nitty gritty work in an early state. >> look, the debate rules were the correct decision but you have an outside force now that has built-in name i.d. from 20 plus years on television as a celebrity. this is the sort of thing where
at some point, there will have to be some leadership at the national level where they look at this and say is this person a serious candidate? or is he here as a fluke and an outlier and do we really want to turn national debates. you may not agree with their philosophies but you have to say, chris, there are four or five very, very substantive serious people in this race who are the "a" tier candidates who want a serious national discussion and donald trump will never be one of them. this guy as i put it today. this is like the spittle fleck populism. leadership by bellowing. as a republican that's not the sort of thing that i want to post up against hillary clinton. if write hillary's team and i had a billion dollars to throw at somebody, i would pay donald trump to do exactly what he's doing now. >> you're right. the fascinating thing to me, when he does get on the big debate stage which seems all but inevitable, can you pull him into doing what you're go saying?
do you know anything? have you read anything? is there an actual agenda? i'm serious. it seems like that he can really be exposed in that moment. >> well, this is the kind of moment where my friend hugh hewitt and these other guys will have to hold him to account and not let him get away with i'm sure the chinese -- i'll make a huge difference. they'll to have stop him. they'll have to check him hard and make sure that the debate doesn't turn into the donald trump clown show. and is instead where he has to response to the substantive criticisms of other republicans who have actually thought about these issues. >> i reiterate my desire to moderate a debate. up next, amid the celebration of last week's supreme court decision comes news some county clerks are refusing to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples. i will talk to one of those clerks next.
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today is linda barnett's last day after 24 years. she is resigning over the supreme court's decision legalizing same-sex marriage. >> i would be the one issuing the license. it would be like i would be approving of this lifestyle and i do not. i believe the bible teaches marriage is between a man and a woman. and i stand on that no matter what man says, that's god's word and that's the final authority. >> grenada county in mississippi still awaits the first same-sex
marriage to get married but the clerk linda barnett would rather resign than issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples five days after the u.s. supreme court made it the law of the land, there are several counties in the land still refusing to follow court's order. in alabama where a federal judge ruled that alabama counties must abide by court decisions allowing gay marriage, where the governor said following the supreme court decision that, quote, we will follow the rule of law, there are still, according to an advocacy group, 17 counties not issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. things appear so muddled in alabama because the alabama supreme court on monday issued an order that said alabama judges are not required to issue same-sex licenses for 25 days. according to a report, a lawyer who works for alabama supreme court justice roy moore wrote a letter seemingly directed at the governor, essentially scolding governor bentley for saying that alabama will obey the law. it reads in part, public official, what will you do? will you stand up for the law of
alabama or for the people, for the law of god? or will you capitulate? will you become complicit in the takeover by the wicked. in kentucky the courier journal, the largest newman in the state. that they are refusing to issue marriage licenses to any couples to avoid having to grant them to gay and lesbian couples. by this morning at least two kentucky county clerks who refused to issue marriage licenses to anyone will resume handing them out. those are lawrence and montgomery county. but clerks in three others are still holding out with casey county clerk, a man named casey davis saying his conscience will not allow him to issue a same-sex marriage license. that he would rather go to jail. joining me now, casey davis, the casey county clerk in kentucky. thank you for joining us. i wonder what you think of the example set by miss barn net
mississippi which is, her conscience says she doesn't allow her to do her job. her job is to issue marriage licenses so she resigned. isn't that the honorable way to proceed? >> not in my mind's eye, chris. >> why not? >> i think that if quit at this point, then i've quit my belief. i've quit my heart. i've quit what i have deeply, deemly rooted inside. and i can't go that direction. >> but your belief isn't really the issue here. you play an official function. right now there are people gay and straight in your county who can't get married. the law has been definitively established. and your job, if your conscience doesn't allow you to do your job, you have to get out of the way. >> well, my conscience will not allow me to do this. i believe that my job when i took it and the oath that i swore to, the law said that marriage was between one man and
one woman. that's what i held my hand to in the oath. i've always tried to treat people the same all my life. i don't want to ever be discriminatory to anyone. and if i'm not able to because of my belief, my heart, my conscience, issue a same-sex marriage license then i don't think that i should issue to anyone. and i think that's being fair to everyone. now -- >> mr. davis, let me stop you there. let me first say that i agree that it is in some senses noble that you're not issuing to anyone. but what isn't fair to the people -- what isn't fair to the people is that there are people who want to get married in your county. this is an important event in their life. they're dependent. >> they can still get married in my county, chris. they can still get married in my
county. they just have to go to another county and get a marriage license to do that. i am asking at this point and i've asked this since monday. actually i've asked this since the 26th, friday, when the governor sent the letter that he sent. i've asked simply that he show me the same consideration that he showed our attorney general, jack conway. when jack conway said about a year ago that what he wanted to do was because of conscience' sake, step aside from his job and let someone else do it or put it in the governor's hands. and the governor at that point, he hired outside representation to defend the state's constitution which says marriage is between one man and one woman. >> let me ask you this. >> and i believe that i and the rest of the county clerks should be granted the same consideration since our conscience which is on the other side of the coin in this matter, has not allowed us to issue a marriage license.
it seems to me -- >> quite a different situation with the attorney general. >> a different thing by a governor that has allowed the attorney general this kind of leeway. he ought to give something to us county clerks. some sort of relief. >> who do you answer to if people in your county can't get married, if you can't do your job, who do you answer to? >> i have done my job for five and a half years. in the last three days, i've answered to people from all over this country. and my answer to them is at this present time, i cannot issue any marriage license. the governor, i would like to add this, too. the governor a few days ago said that i along with the other county clerks took an oath. that i would lay down my personal beliefs to do my job.
that's not true. that is entirely not true. i would never take an oath that would deny my personal feelings for anything, anything, and i did not take an oath that said i would lay my personal feelings down. my personal beliefs down to do this job nor will i ever do that. that oath did not, as a matter of fact, that oath said that i would do this job to the best of my ability, so help me god. and the best of my ability does not go beyond what my conscience will allow me to do. do you understand that? >> i do -- i understand what you're saying. i think that the secular authorities will have something to say about that. and was it jesus who said render to caesar what is caesar's? when we come back, a devastating fire. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla apremilast.
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burns down in 1995 by two members of the kkk. in an interview, south carolina governor nicky haley said unequivocally the fire was caused by lightning strikes. >> we saw that there were four lightning strikes. one of them hit the steeple of the church. it burned from the top down. >> so there's no reason to believe -- >> absolutely none. no. >> now that tracks with radar images of a thunderstorm in the area with lightning strikes peaking around 6:30. it corresponds to the church pastor's first reaction when he heard what happened. >> i've come from south carolina. we were in a storm over there, me and my wife. we had to wait it out to get back. a bad lightning storm. so when i heard that the church was on fire, i really thought that wow, the lightning must have hit it. because they were talking about storms all afternoon. >> but sources close to the investigation tells nbc news, he's not sure where the governor got her information.
while there was lightning in the area, he said there is no confirmation it actually hit the church. last night's fire was the seventh to occur at a predominantly black church in the south. only three have been determined likely arsons at this point and none has been ruled a hate crime. joining me now, joy, what is the scene like down there? >> reporter: well, essentially, chris, you just encapsulated it. there was a huge disconnect between governor nicki haley and here at mount zion ame church. we saw that it was a lightning strike. number one, we're not sure who the we is. and the mayor of greeleyville as well as the state senator representing this area and the fire chief, all of whom we spoke with here tonight all said the investigation is still open. ongoing. in fact the fire chief told me because of the extensive damage, because the roof literally fell
in, there's so much debris inside of it they can't determine what the cause is. in addition to that, the lead investigation, the lead investigators both state and federal atf are all saying it is undetermined. i think nikki haley may be way ahead. it is not clear that there is anybody behind her. >> obviously the context is both the fires that we've reported on which again in the south, predominantly black churches, it is hard to determine whether we're seeing something happen that doesn't normally happen or whether the microscope of national media attention means we are sort of he creating a category between a bunch of particular circumstances. some of those fires that people have been talking about on social media were pretty clear are not arson. we have to be clear about what we know and don't know. at the same time, this church has a real intense historical history. >> absolutely. this church was burned to the ground in 1995 by a ku klux klan
group. and there was a $38 million settlement. as you said, the context is that we have three fires that are known to be arson. one in macon, georgia, one in knoxville, tennessee, and another one. then you have three more undetermined. one here in south carolina in warrenville, not far from charlotte. a second fire also in tennessee. and then with tallahassee, that is thought to make be electrical. the question some are asking, when is the last time any church you heard of is burned to the ground? such an unusual circumstance. even the atf official said this is not normal. there's one additional fire in ohio that has been ruled arson has been ruled out. because there were so many different causes, all of them happened within a very confined space of time. two of them on the day that president obama eulogized
clementa pinckney. there's a lot of concern. people are worried. and i think that's a feeling that goes across the country. it is unusual. >> joy reid live in greeleyville, south carolina. always so great to have you at the site on the road doing the reporting. thank you very much. >> thank you. up next, the quiet war between new york's governor and new york's city's mayor explodes in the open.
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yesterday the nastiest fight in all of politics exploded out into the open in an unprecedented way. the long simmering tension between democratic mayor of new york city, bill de blasio and the governor, andrew cuomo has been building for a while. recently the governor knock down the number one priority, a housing expansion and around the same time as the battle was brewing in albany, anonymous sources close to the governor started bad-mouthing the mayor saying the mayor was, quote, bumbling and incompetent. and saying the school system was only extended one year for this mayor. how did the mayor think he would get mayoral control? well, the assembly will support me. they didn't. the daily news quoted a top cuomo administration source saying i think he puts himself in these situations. some reporters were reading this and said it sounded a lot like
the governor andrew cuomo himself. so last week the governor was confronted with a series of questions about whether he himself was talking to the press off the record as a cuomo official about the mayor. >> are you the top administration official who yesterday questioned the mayor's strategy? >> i said a lot of things yesterday. i don't know exactly what, which one you're referring to. >> why do you anonymously criticize him? how does that help? >> if i don't believe a proposal makes sense, i say that it doesn't make sense. >> why do you so anonymously put it on the record? >> sometimes we talk on the record. sometimes in background. sometimes it is a little faster to talk off the record as you know. >> so pretty clearly not in denial that he was in fact the cuomo source. pretty clearly an implicit nod to the fact the top cuomo administration source was cuomo himself. now mayor de blasio has decided to cut the games and go on the
record in front of a camera to blast governor cuomo. >> what i found was he engaged in his own sense of strategies, his own political machinations, and what we've often seen, if someone disagrees with him openly, some kind of revenge or vendetta follows. and i think too many people in this state have gotten used to that pattern and thrown a bit by it. i think more and more of us are saying we're not going to be party to that anymore. >> all right. he didn't do just that. he then summoned other reporters to a city hall office and said among other things, there's been an abrupt change. that was revenge for some perceived slight. this is one of those cases of a political gap that consists entirely of mayor de blasio telling the truth that everyone knows on the record. as the mayor indicated, many others have put up with it. the mayor is willing to take it no longer. the obama presidency has been on such a roll over the
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the obama presidency has been on such a roll over the last two weeks, certain landmark decisions like changing the policy with cuba perhaps doesn't get attention it might otherwise garner. today the united states and cuba will open embassies later this month. today the obama administration has clamped down on a practice in college education that has often turned into a big scam.
in the last four years, for profit enrollment has explode in the growth and it has been akin to taking the predatory lending mod and he will turning it into a predatory education model. you go recruit people to enroll in your for profit college. you walk them through the loan process. you get the federal government to loan them the money which is immediately paid to you. then you the for profit college have the money and the student. what happens after that is no skin off your nose fmpl you educate the person or not, who cares. your incentive is not to educate them. your incentive is to go to the next student and the next student. if there's one thing stockholders of for profit colleges want to see is growth. that has affected too much the
for profit industry where student loan default rates have hit astronomical levels. for profit enrollment is 13%. billions of federal dollars continue to flow through these places and into the pockets of their management and shareholders as those defaults buying up. in 2009 the obama administration proposed a pretty simple fix. we'll cut off your funds if you don't have the students to graduate. the industry went to war against those regulations. now six years later, and after some critics have said the department of education hasn't acted forcibly enough to curtail the worst practices, the administration enacted new regulations in which schools must demonstrate their students are earning enough money upon graduation to pay for their its student loans or else risk losing student aid. today i asked the secretary of education how that will change going forward. >> it is very simple. we're saying the debt can't be wildly in excess of your earnings going forward. and if the debt is management,
that means that you're able to pay it back. it mean you are probably doing better economically. you were able to get new skills that led to new jobs. but when you're just drowning in debt, disproportionately high relative to your income, that's untenable for the students and for all of us as taxpayers. for so long, taxpayers were on the hook. students were on the hook. these colleges had no skin in the game. there is no sense of accountability. it was ball enrollment. getting more students in the door. and far too many vulnerable folks trying to do the right thing, trying to climb the economic ladder, get to the middle class were taken advantage of. >> the darrel of education has announced a loan forgiveness program. people who have been advocating on behalf of students say that it requires onerous steps to jump through. why not just offer the students
a blanket debt forgiveness? >> so first of all, we were thrilled to close down krinlthian and get no administration has done more to challenge the status quo despite stiff opposition from congress. we've been working on this since 2009. what we have done is we're working with a number of students in corinthian. the process is not onerous to be clear. but this is new work for us and we want to be as thoughtful as we can with students. at the end of the day, this is cleaning up a mess after it happens. we want to do the right thing but we have to prevent, stop this ahead of time so more students don't end up in this situation. that's what these regulations going into effect today are all about. >> you can find the point of view with the education secretary on our facebook page. all in with chris. you can go there or twitter at all in with chris or chris hayes and tell us what you love about america. tomorrow on this july 4 week, we're devoting a special show to what makes this country good. it will be a lot of fun.
that is it for this evening. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thank you to you at home for joining us this hour. happy july 1st. today is july 1st. that means the year is officially half gone. weird, right? 2015 is half done. it's july 1st. and here is how july 1st was celebrated at the stroke of midnight in portland, oregon last night. at the stroke of midnight last night in portland, oregon, a huge crowd of people in the streets. when the clock hit 12 midnight, there were fireworks over portland. a big cheer from the crowd. the crowd was weirdly sort of bigger than the cheer though. that many thousands of people out in the streets of portland last night with that big countdown to midnight.